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Unread postby 875Lions » Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:21 am

HI realize that this question doesn't exactly fit in with military ranks, but it's close enough. In Canada, as in many other countries, there are different peaks of the cap depending on your rank. For Canadian Officers, this mean a gold band for junior officers (except for OCdts/NCdts), a single row of oak leaves for senior officers, and a double row of oak leaf for General/Flag officers. I've noticed that in other countries, the ranks of Major, Lieutenant Commander and Squadron Leader, while considered to be senior officers, do not wear a row of oak leaves. Is it the same in Canada? (Do these ranks wear a gold band rather than the oak leaves?)
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Unread postby Frank Soon » Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:39 am

This is ture in many countries armed forces.
I've noticed in the US Navy, Lt. Commanders do not have leaves on their hats, only Commanders and above do. but in the US Army, Majors do have leaves.
Does anyone know how this unique tradition was formed in the US navy?
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Unread postby J.T. Broderick » Thu Jun 24, 2004 9:59 pm

Frank Soon wrote:This is ture in many countries armed forces.
I've noticed in the US Navy, Lt. Commanders do not have leaves on their hats, only Commanders and above do. but in the US Army, Majors do have leaves.
Does anyone know how this unique tradition was formed in the US navy?
Thanks


Army officers are traditionally divided into general officers, field officers and company officers. Navy officers were originally divided into flag officers, captains and lieutenants. In the US and British navies, commanders originated as a junior form of captain and lieutenant commanders as a senior form of lieutenant, which is why one has the "scrambled egg" and the other does not.

The USN, while it used the rank, always considered commodores to be flag officers. The Royal Navy had Commodores First Class, which were considered flag officers, and Commodores Second Class, who commanded their own ships and were considered a senior type of captain. When the two classes were abandoned after WW2, the commodores kept the uniform distinctions of the 2nd Class, so RN commodores wear the same cap visors as captians and commanders.

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Unread postby Laurence Strong » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:33 am

The forage cap is not used much anymore in Canada, even in most parades the beret is worn.
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Unread postby Laurence Strong » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:48 pm

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Unread postby 875Lions » Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:21 am

HI realize that this question doesn't exactly fit in with military ranks, but it's close enough. In Canada, as in many other countries, there are different peaks of the cap depending on your rank. For Canadian Officers, this mean a gold band for junior officers (except for OCdts/NCdts), a single row of oak leaves for senior officers, and a double row of oak leaf for General/Flag officers. I've noticed that in other countries, the ranks of Major, Lieutenant Commander and Squadron Leader, while considered to be senior officers, do not wear a row of oak leaves. Is it the same in Canada? (Do these ranks wear a gold band rather than the oak leaves?)
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Unread postby Frank Soon » Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:39 am

This is ture in many countries armed forces.
I've noticed in the US Navy, Lt. Commanders do not have leaves on their hats, only Commanders and above do. but in the US Army, Majors do have leaves.
Does anyone know how this unique tradition was formed in the US navy?
Thanks
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Unread postby J.T. Broderick » Thu Jun 24, 2004 9:59 pm

Frank Soon wrote:This is ture in many countries armed forces.
I've noticed in the US Navy, Lt. Commanders do not have leaves on their hats, only Commanders and above do. but in the US Army, Majors do have leaves.
Does anyone know how this unique tradition was formed in the US navy?
Thanks


Army officers are traditionally divided into general officers, field officers and company officers. Navy officers were originally divided into flag officers, captains and lieutenants. In the US and British navies, commanders originated as a junior form of captain and lieutenant commanders as a senior form of lieutenant, which is why one has the "scrambled egg" and the other does not.

The USN, while it used the rank, always considered commodores to be flag officers. The Royal Navy had Commodores First Class, which were considered flag officers, and Commodores Second Class, who commanded their own ships and were considered a senior type of captain. When the two classes were abandoned after WW2, the commodores kept the uniform distinctions of the 2nd Class, so RN commodores wear the same cap visors as captians and commanders.

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Unread postby Laurence Strong » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:33 am

The forage cap is not used much anymore in Canada, even in most parades the beret is worn.
Always looking to buy Heeresverwaltungs (HV) and Sonderfuhrer items. Insignias, paperwork, photo's, Soldbuchs......
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Unread postby Laurence Strong » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:48 pm

Here you go
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Unread postby Laurence Strong » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:48 pm

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Unread postby Laurence Strong » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:49 pm

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Unread postby Laurence Strong » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:50 pm

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Canadian Military Caps

Unread postby 875Lions » Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:21 am

HI realize that this question doesn't exactly fit in with military ranks, but it's close enough. In Canada, as in many other countries, there are different peaks of the cap depending on your rank. For Canadian Officers, this mean a gold band for junior officers (except for OCdts/NCdts), a single row of oak leaves for senior officers, and a double row of oak leaf for General/Flag officers. I've noticed that in other countries, the ranks of Major, Lieutenant Commander and Squadron Leader, while considered to be senior officers, do not wear a row of oak leaves. Is it the same in Canada? (Do these ranks wear a gold band rather than the oak leaves?)
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Unread postby Frank Soon » Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:39 am

This is ture in many countries armed forces.
I've noticed in the US Navy, Lt. Commanders do not have leaves on their hats, only Commanders and above do. but in the US Army, Majors do have leaves.
Does anyone know how this unique tradition was formed in the US navy?
Thanks
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Unread postby J.T. Broderick » Thu Jun 24, 2004 9:59 pm

Frank Soon wrote:This is ture in many countries armed forces.
I've noticed in the US Navy, Lt. Commanders do not have leaves on their hats, only Commanders and above do. but in the US Army, Majors do have leaves.
Does anyone know how this unique tradition was formed in the US navy?
Thanks


Army officers are traditionally divided into general officers, field officers and company officers. Navy officers were originally divided into flag officers, captains and lieutenants. In the US and British navies, commanders originated as a junior form of captain and lieutenant commanders as a senior form of lieutenant, which is why one has the "scrambled egg" and the other does not.

The USN, while it used the rank, always considered commodores to be flag officers. The Royal Navy had Commodores First Class, which were considered flag officers, and Commodores Second Class, who commanded their own ships and were considered a senior type of captain. When the two classes were abandoned after WW2, the commodores kept the uniform distinctions of the 2nd Class, so RN commodores wear the same cap visors as captians and commanders.

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Unread postby Laurence Strong » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:33 am

The forage cap is not used much anymore in Canada, even in most parades the beret is worn.
Always looking to buy Heeresverwaltungs (HV) and Sonderfuhrer items. Insignias, paperwork, photo's, Soldbuchs......
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Unread postby Laurence Strong » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:48 pm

Here you go
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Unread postby Laurence Strong » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:48 pm

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Unread postby Laurence Strong » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:49 pm

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Unread postby Laurence Strong » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:50 pm

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Canadian Military Caps

Unread postby 875Lions » Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:21 am

HI realize that this question doesn't exactly fit in with military ranks, but it's close enough. In Canada, as in many other countries, there are different peaks of the cap depending on your rank. For Canadian Officers, this mean a gold band for junior officers (except for OCdts/NCdts), a single row of oak leaves for senior officers, and a double row of oak leaf for General/Flag officers. I've noticed that in other countries, the ranks of Major, Lieutenant Commander and Squadron Leader, while considered to be senior officers, do not wear a row of oak leaves. Is it the same in Canada? (Do these ranks wear a gold band rather than the oak leaves?)
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Unread postby Frank Soon » Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:39 am

This is ture in many countries armed forces.
I've noticed in the US Navy, Lt. Commanders do not have leaves on their hats, only Commanders and above do. but in the US Army, Majors do have leaves.
Does anyone know how this unique tradition was formed in the US navy?
Thanks
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Unread postby J.T. Broderick » Thu Jun 24, 2004 9:59 pm

Frank Soon wrote:This is ture in many countries armed forces.
I've noticed in the US Navy, Lt. Commanders do not have leaves on their hats, only Commanders and above do. but in the US Army, Majors do have leaves.
Does anyone know how this unique tradition was formed in the US navy?
Thanks


Army officers are traditionally divided into general officers, field officers and company officers. Navy officers were originally divided into flag officers, captains and lieutenants. In the US and British navies, commanders originated as a junior form of captain and lieutenant commanders as a senior form of lieutenant, which is why one has the "scrambled egg" and the other does not.

The USN, while it used the rank, always considered commodores to be flag officers. The Royal Navy had Commodores First Class, which were considered flag officers, and Commodores Second Class, who commanded their own ships and were considered a senior type of captain. When the two classes were abandoned after WW2, the commodores kept the uniform distinctions of the 2nd Class, so RN commodores wear the same cap visors as captians and commanders.

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Unread postby Laurence Strong » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:33 am

The forage cap is not used much anymore in Canada, even in most parades the beret is worn.
Always looking to buy Heeresverwaltungs (HV) and Sonderfuhrer items. Insignias, paperwork, photo's, Soldbuchs......
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Unread postby Laurence Strong » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:48 pm

Here you go
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Unread postby Laurence Strong » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:48 pm

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Unread postby Laurence Strong » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:49 pm

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