HELP FOR IDENTIFY

[Antonio Prieto]

Please help me for the identification of the breast badges of the image
I believe thath are all for Engineeers
Thank you

[msgb545]

Antonio,

The 4th crest on the top row is the DUI (Distinctive Unit Insignia) for the U.S.Army Engineer Center and School at Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri. The 5th crest on the top row is the DUI for USACE- the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (http://www.usace.army.mil/who/).

Regards,

MSG B.

[Antonio Prieto]

Thank you
You can see more at: http://galeon.com/ingenierosmundiales/index.html
Regards

[dcfowler]

1st row:
1) 386th Engineer Battalion, authorized 16 Dec 1982
2) not sure - appears similar to 1st Engineer Battalion
3) not sure - would help if I could read the motto
4) US Army Engineer Center and Fort Leonard Wood/Engineer School, authorized 14 Dec 1976
5) 2) US Army Corps of Engineers, authorized 24 Jul 1980

2d row:
1) 164th Infantry, authorized 11 Jan 33 (became 142d Engineer Battalion with a different DUI)
2) 18th Support Battalion, authorized 18 Feb 1943
3) 21st Field Artillery, authorized 5 Feb 1921
4) 575th Engineer Battalion, authorized 21 Oct 1942
5) 24th Engineer Battalion, authorized 26 Jun 1931

Dave

[Antonio Prieto]

Thank you
I just updated the files of USA metal and clod badges at http://galeon.com/ingenierosmundiales/index.html

The sencond has the motto ESSAYONS. the third NUNQUAN OTIOSI
Regards

[iffig]

The latin words "Nunquam otiosi" mean "never idle" or, if you prefer, "always busy". It is the motto of the 27 th US Engineers Batalion.

[dcfowler]

27th Engineer Battalion uses a distinctive insignia approved 19 March 1951 with the motto "Omnes Res Bene Facere" (To Do All Things Well). It has a rock from the Alms of St-Mihiel, encircled by oak leaves.

Dave

[iffig]

The filiation system of US army units is a bit intricate and it is the kind of topic where everyone can be right, depending of the period refered to.

It is true that if one visits the Institute of Heraldry

http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/tioh.htm

and then goes to Engineer DIs identification page, then one finds a 27 th Engineers Bn
whose motto is "Omnes res bene facere"

http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Eng/2 ... talion.htm

But, on the other side, the mysterious DI is exactly the same as the one worn by 1 Engineers Bn, except that the colours are reverted (red instead of silver, silver instead of red; black instead of silver, silver instead of black) and there is a scroll with the motto : "Nunquam otiosi".

Before submitting my advice, I have consulted the "Engineers Catalogue" of the American Society of Military Insigna Collector, March 1967 ed. with sketches and descriptions by James A. Sawicki; the mysterious badge is identified p. 16, drawing 27A, fully in line with the picture submitted by our friend from Spain, as 27 Engineer BN.
Two other 27 Engineer BN DIs are depicted here, one unknown to me and belonging to the 27 ENGR Combat BN, and an other which is the same as the one given in the identification page of the Institute of Heraldry.
So: either J.A. Sawicki was completely mistaken (which I think hard to believe), or he refers to an older DI of the 27 Engineer BN. My considered opinion is that people from the 27 Engineer BN designed a DI (maybe in the interwar period) which was judged too similar to the 1 Engineer BN DI and took the opportunity of a amalgamation - there must be an american word for this, I do not know it, sorry - of some sort to design a new DI.