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Updating Venezuelan ranks

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Updating Venezuelan ranks

Unread postby JMRamos » Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:12 pm

Ranks should be as follows (and all the insignia updated and shown):

Army Enlisted and NCOs

*Soldado Raso - Private
*Distinguido - Private First Class
*Cabo Segundo - Lance Corporal
*Cabo Primero - Corporal
*Sargento Segundo - Sergeant
*Sargento Primero - Staff Sergeant
*Sargento Mayor de Tercera - Third Sergeant
*Sargento Mayor de Segunda - Second Sergeant
*Sargento Mayor de Primera - Sergeant First Class
*Sargento Ayudante - Master Sergeant
*Sargento Supervisor - First Sergeant

Army Warrant Officers

*Sargento Técnico de Tercera - Sergeant Major
*Sargento Técnico de Segunda - Command Sergeant Major
*Sargento Técnico de Primera - Sergeant Major of the Army
*Maestro Técnico de Tercera - Third Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico de Segunda - Second Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico de Primera - First Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico Mayor - Senior Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico Supervisor - Chief Warrant Officer


Army Commissioned Officers

*Teniente - Second Lieutenant
*Primer Teniente - First Lieutenant
*Capitán - Captain
*Mayor - Major
*Teniente Coronel - Lieutenant Colonel
*Coronel - Colonel
*General de Brigada - Brigadier General
*General de Division - Major General
*Mayor General - Lieutenant General
*General en Jefe - General
*Comandante en Jefe - Commander in Chief (reserved for the President)

Air Force Enlisted and NCOs

*Soldado Raso - Airman
*Distinguido - Airman First Class
*Cabo Segundo - Lance Corporal
*Cabo Primero - Corporal
*Sargento Segundo - Sergeant
*Sargento Primero - Staff Sergeant
*Sargento Mayor de Tercera - Technical Sergeant
*Sargento Mayor de Segunda - Chief Technical Sergeant
*Sargento Mayor de Primera - Technical Sergeant First Class
*Sargento Ayudante - Master Sergeant
*Sargento Supervisor - Senior Master Sergeant


Air Force Warrant Officers

*Sargento Técnico de Tercera - Chief Master Sergeant
*Sargento Técnico de Segunda - Command Chief Master Sergeant
*Sargento Técnico de Primera - Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force
*Maestro Técnico de Tercera - Third Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico de Segunda - Second Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico de Primera - First Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico Mayor - Senior Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico Supervisor - Chief Warrant Officer

Air Force Commissioned Officers

*Teniente - Second Lieutenant
*Primer Teniente - First Lieutenant
*Capitán - Captain
*Mayor - Major
*Teniente Coronel - Lieutenant Colonel
*Coronel - Colonel
*General de Brigada - Brigadier General
*General de Division - Major General
*Mayor General - Lieutenant General
*General en Jefe - General



Navy Enlisted Ratings

*Marinero - Seaman Recruit
*Distinguido - Seaman
*Cabo Segundo - Leading Seaman
*Cabo Primero - Master Seaman
*Sargento Segundo - Petty Officer 2nd Class
*Sargento Primero - Petty Officer 1st Class
*Sargento Mayor de Tercera - Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class
*Sargento Mayor de Segunda - Chief Petty Officer 1st Class
*Sargento Mayor de Primera - Senior Chief Petty Officer
*Sargento Ayudante - Master Chief Petty Officer
*Sargento Supervisor - Fleet Chief Petty Officer

Navy Warrant Officers

*Maestre de Tercera - Command Master Chief Warrant Officer
*Maestre de Segunda - Fleet/Force Chief Warrant Officer
*Maestre de Primera - Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
*Maestre Técnico - Third Warrant Officer
*Maestre Auxiliar - Second Warrant Officer
*Maestre Principal - First Warrant Officer
*Maestre Mayor - Senior Warrant Officer
*Maestre Supervisor - Chief Warrant Officer

Navy Commissioned Officers

*Alférez de Navío - Ensign
*Teniente de Fragata - Lieutenant Junior Grade
*Teniente de Navío - Lieutenant
*Capitán de Corbeta - Lieutenant Commander
*Capitán de Fragata - Commander
*Capitán de Navío - Captain
*Contralmirante - Rear Admiral (Lower Half)
*Vicealmirante - Rear Admiral (Upper Half)
*Almirante - Vice Admiral
*Almirante en Jefe - Admiral

National Guard Enlisted and NCOs

*Soldado Raso - Guardsman
*Distinguido - Distinguished Guardsman
*Cabo Segundo - Lance Corporal
*Cabo Primero - Corporal
*Sargento Segundo - Sergeant
*Sargento Primero - Staff Sergeant
*Sargento Mayor de Tercera - Third Sergeant
*Sargento Mayor de Segunda - Second Sergeant
*Sargento Mayor de Primera - Sergeant First Class
*Sargento Ayudante - Master Sergeant
*Sargento Supervisor - First Sergeant

National Guard Warrant Officers

*Sargento Técnico de Tercera - Sergeant Major
*Sargento Técnico de Segunda - Command Sergeant Major
*Sargento Técnico de Primera - Fourth Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico de Tercera - Third Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico de Segunda - Second Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico de Primera - First Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico Mayor - Senior Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico Supervisor - Chief Warrant Officer

National Guard Commissioned Officers

*Teniente - Second Lieutenant
*Primer Teniente - First Lieutenant
*Capitán - Captain
*Mayor - Major
*Teniente Coronel - Lieutenant Colonel
*Coronel - Colonel
*General de Brigada - Brigadier General
*General de Division - Major General
*Mayor General - Lieutenant General
*General en Jefe - General

National Militia Enlisted and NCOs

*Miliciano - Private
*Distinguido - Private First Class
*Cabo Segundo - Lance Corporal
*Cabo Primero - Corporal
*Sargento Segundo - Sergeant
*Sargento Primero - Staff Sergeant
*Sargento Mayor de Tercera - Third Sergeant
*Sargento Mayor de Segunda - Second Sergeant
*Sargento Mayor de Primera - Sergeant First Class
*Sargento Ayudante - Master Sergeant
*Sargento Supervisor - First Sergeant

National Militia Warrant Officers

*Sargento Técnico de Tercera - Sergeant Major
*Sargento Técnico de Segunda - Command Sergeant Major
*Sargento Técnico de Primera - Sergeant Major of the National Militia
*Maestro Técnico de Tercera - Third Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico de Segunda - Second Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico de Primera - First Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico Mayor - Senior Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico Supervisor - Chief Warrant Officer

National Militia Commissioned Officers

*Teniente - Second Lieutenant
*Primer Teniente - First Lieutenant
*Capitán - Captain
*Mayor - Major
*Teniente Coronel - Lieutenant Colonel
*Coronel - Colonel
*General de Brigada - Brigadier General
*General de Division - Major General
*Mayor General - Lieutenant General
*General en Jefe - General


National Militia People's Navy Command Enlisted Ratings

*Marinero - Seaman Recruit
*Distinguido - Seaman
*Cabo Segundo - Leading Seaman
*Cabo Primero - Master Seaman
*Sargento Segundo - Petty Officer 2nd Class
*Sargento Primero - Petty Officer 1st Class
*Sargento Mayor de Tercera - Chief Petty Officer 2nd Class
*Sargento Mayor de Segunda - Chief Petty Officer 1st Class
*Sargento Mayor de Primera - Senior Chief Petty Officer
*Sargento Ayudante - Master Chief Petty Officer
*Sargento Supervisor - Fleet Chief Petty Officer

National Militia People's Navy Command Warrant Officers

*Maestre de Tercera - Command Master Chief Warrant Officer
*Maestre de Segunda - Fleet/Force Chief Warrant Officer
*Maestre de Primera - Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy
*Maestre Técnico - Third Warrant Officer
*Maestre Auxiliar - Second Warrant Officer
*Maestre Principal - First Warrant Officer
*Maestre Mayor - Senior Warrant Officer
*Maestre Supervisor - Chief Warrant Officer

National Militia People's Navy Command Commissioned Officers

*Alférez de Navío - Ensign
*Teniente de Fragata - Lieutenant Junior Grade
*Teniente de Navío - Lieutenant
*Capitán de Corbeta - Lieutenant Commander
*Capitán de Fragata - Commander
*Capitán de Navío - Captain
*Contralmirante - Rear Admiral (Lower Half)
*Vicealmirante - Rear Admiral (Upper Half)
*Almirante - Vice Admiral
*Almirante en Jefe - Admiral
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Re: Updating Venezuelan ranks

Unread postby Luke2 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:10 pm

Why should Sargento Técnico de Primera be translated as Sergeant Major of the Army?

There is only one Sergeant Major of the Army in the US army, being the supreme enlisted adviser to the Chief of Staff of the US Army, an organization with half a million active duty soldiers. How many Sargentos Técnicos de Primera exists in the Venezuelan army?

Translation of ranks is a tricky question. They don't have to be perfect, but I do not believe you can mix a set of ranks from the NCO corps, with a set of ranks from the WO corps.

Why not these translations?

*Sargento Técnico de Tercera - Third Warrant Officer
*Sargento Técnico de Segunda - Second Warrant Officer
*Sargento Técnico de Primera - First Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico de Tercera - Third Chief Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico de Segunda - Second Chief Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico de Primera - First Chief Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico Mayor - Senior Chief Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico Supervisor - Master Chief Warrant Officer

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Re: Updating Venezuelan ranks

Unread postby Miklós Lovász » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:27 pm

Sargento Técnico = Specialist (x) Class, NOT WO!
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Re: Updating Venezuelan ranks

Unread postby JMRamos » Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:14 am

Miklós Lovász wrote:Sargento Técnico = Specialist (x) Class, NOT WO!


Understood. Thus:

Sargento Técnico de Tercera/Maestre de Tercera - Specialist 3rd Class/ Sgt. Maj. or equivalent
Sargento Técnico de Segunda/Maestre de Segunda - Specialist 2nd Class CSM or equivalent
Sargento Técnico de Primera/Maestre de Primera - Specialist 1st Class/SMA or equivalent
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Re: Updating Venezuelan ranks

Unread postby JMRamos » Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:22 am

*Maestro Técnico de Tercera/Maestre Técnico - Chief Specialist 3rd class
*Maestro Técnico de Segunda/Maestre Auxiliar - Chief Specialist 2nd Class
*Maestro Técnico de Primera/Maestre Principal - Chief Specialist 1st Class
*Maestro Técnico Mayor/Maestre Mayor - Senior Chief Specialist
*Maestro Técnico Supervisor/Maestre Supervisor - Master Chief Specialist

And for the NCO ranks:

*Sargento Mayor de Tercera - Sergeant First Class, CPO 2nd Class, Technical Sergeant
*Sargento Mayor de Segunda - Master Sergeant, CPO 1st Class
*Sargento Mayor de Primera - First Sergeant, SCPO, Senior Master Sergeant
*Sargento Ayudante - Sergeant Major, MCPO, CMS
*Sargento Supervisor - Command Sergeant Major, CMCPO, CCMS
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Re: Updating Venezuelan ranks

Unread postby Miklós Lovász » Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:25 am

It's basically the old US style, where you had Sergeants, with command tasks and specialists, who were technicians only.

Also, the Fleet/Force CPO should be the second highest NCO rank in the Navy, and I'm pretty sure there isn't one in Venezuela (also, it's more of an appointmontment than an actual rank).

One more thing: in countries with small(ish) navies it's not unheard of (actually, it's quite commonplace) to have the same rank titles for all forces.

In conclusion, my translation would be as follows:

*Sargento Segundo - Sergeant Second Class
*Sargento Primero - Sergeant First Class
*Sargento Mayor de Tercera - Sergeant Major 3rd Class
*Sargento Mayor de Segunda - Sergeant Major 2nd Class
*Sargento Mayor de Primera - Sergeant Major 1st Class
*Sargento Ayudante - Chief Sergeant Major
*Sargento Supervisor - Senior Chief Sergeant Major

Army Warrant Officers

*Sargento Técnico de Tercera - Technical Sergeant 3rd Class
*Sargento Técnico de Segunda - Technical Sergeant 2nd Class
*Sargento Técnico de Primera - Technical Sergeant 1st Class
*Maestro Técnico de Tercera - Warrant Officer 3rd Class
*Maestro Técnico de Segunda - Warrant Officer 2nd Class
*Maestro Técnico de Primera - Warrant Officer 1st Class
*Maestro Técnico Mayor - Chief Warrant Officer
*Maestro Técnico Supervisor - Senior Chief Warrant Officer
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Re: Updating Venezuelan ranks

Unread postby JMRamos » Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:02 pm

YOU FORGOT THE NAVY!!!!!
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Re: Updating Venezuelan ranks

Unread postby Miklós Lovász » Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:52 pm

JMRamos wrote:YOU FORGOT THE NAVY!!!!!

Re-read para 3!
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Re: Updating Venezuelan ranks

Unread postby Luke2 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:31 pm

Please clerifiy a few Points for me:

1) Are the Venezuelan technician ranks parallell or senior to the NCO ranks?

2) If parallell, like the old US Enlisted Specialistsm why call them Warrant Officers?

3) If senior, like todays US Warrant Officers, why call them Sergeants?

I maintain that one should not mix titles from the NCO corps with titles from the WO corps. Unless of course, that you want to make a literal translation from the original language. Miklos does a pretty good job with that. I would just like the following changes:

*Maestro Técnico de Tercera - Master Technician 3rd Class
*Maestro Técnico de Segunda - Master Technician 2nd Class
*Maestro Técnico de Primera - Master Technician 1st Class
*Maestro Técnico Mayor - Higher Master Technician
*Maestro Técnico Supervisor - Supervisory Master Technician
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Re: Updating Venezuelan ranks

Unread postby JMRamos » Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:10 am

Luke2 wrote:Please clerifiy a few Points for me:

1) Are the Venezuelan technician ranks parallell or senior to the NCO ranks?

2) If parallell, like the old US Enlisted Specialistsm why call them Warrant Officers?

3) If senior, like todays US Warrant Officers, why call them Sergeants?

I maintain that one should not mix titles from the NCO corps with titles from the WO corps. Unless of course, that you want to make a literal translation from the original language. Miklos does a pretty good job with that. I would just like the following changes:

*Maestro Técnico de Tercera - Master Technician 3rd Class
*Maestro Técnico de Segunda - Master Technician 2nd Class
*Maestro Técnico de Primera - Master Technician 1st Class
*Maestro Técnico Mayor - Higher Master Technician
*Maestro Técnico Supervisor - Supervisory Master Technician


Thanks for that. For the Navy:

*Maestre de Tercera - 3rd Class Master
*Maestre de Segunda - 2nd Class Master
*Maestre de Primera - 1st Class Master
*Maestre Técnico - Master Technician
*Maestre Auxiliar - Auxiliary Master
*Maestre Principal - Principal Master
*Maestre Mayor - Senior Master
*Maestre Supervisor - Master Supervisor
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Re: Updating Venezuelan ranks

Unread postby Pavel Močoch » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:07 pm

Hello all.
Please check military rank. If anyone has photos, please send me the exact layout insignia.
http://www.uniforminsignia.org/?option=com_insigniasearch&Itemid=53&result=109
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Re: Updating Venezuelan ranks

Unread postby JMRamos » Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:18 pm

And my mistakes regarding the Navy thus:

Maestre de Tercera - Command Master Chief Petty Officer
Maestre de Segunda - Fleet/Force Master Chief Petty Officer

Note on the Marines: They DO NOT use army-style ranks. They use navy-style ranks instead.
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Re: Updating Venezuelan ranks

Unread postby JMRamos » Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:32 pm

Can someone post the Venezuelan Navy sleeve insignia? smilies-01
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