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Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs

Unread postby dcfowler » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:53 pm

In the last week, two new appointment rank insignia have been unveiled. One for the Army command sergeant major, who was outgoing Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and a second, introduced just today, for the USAF command chief master sergeant who is the incoming SEAC.

Army insignia:
https://www.stripes.com/polopoly_fs/1.610596.1575997813!/image/image.JPG_gen/derivatives/landscape_900/image.JPG

Air Force insignia:
https://media.defense.gov/2019/Dec/13/2002224495/-1/-1/0/191210-A-UG256-001.JPG

Both use the Department of Defense eagle, surrounded by four stars as the central emblem.

The USMC SEAC insignia has been resourced to be developed before the end of the current fiscal year. A Navy insignia will follow at a date undetermined, probably when a Navy SEAC is appointed.
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Re: Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Chairman of the Joint Chi

Unread postby dcfowler » Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:48 am

Marine Corps SEAC chevrons were approved on 11 June 2021. The gold and scarlet version can be seen here:

https://tioh.army.mil/Catalog/ViewImage.aspx?id=14994
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Re: Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Chairman of the Joint Chi

Unread postby dcfowler » Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:48 am

Marine Corps SEAC chevrons were approved on 11 June 2021. The gold and scarlet version can be seen here:

https://tioh.army.mil/Catalog/ViewImage.aspx?id=14994
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Re: Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Chairman of the Joint Chi

Unread postby trbaldwin » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:42 pm

Good to be back on the board after so long

I hope of the USSF is to fill the rank they doNT just use the USAF but mod remove the star from the lower chevrons and replace with the delta there which is what they should have done for the CMSSF insignia

Anyone know if former USMC SEAC - SgtMaj
Bryan B. Battaglia maybe promoted on retrospect?
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Re: Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Chairman of the Joint Chi

Unread postby dcfowler » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:11 am

I hope of the USSF is to fill the rank they doNT just use the USAF but mod remove the star from the lower chevrons and replace with the delta there which is what they should have done for the CMSSF insignia


The USSF will have all-new rank insignia that should be rolled out in the next 3-4 weeks.

From my understanding, 1-3 straight bars with delta for specs 2, 3 and 4.

4-5 point down chevrons with either delta or DGO for Sgt and TSgt

5 point down chevrons with 1-3 top arcs for MSgt, SMSgt and CMSgt, and either delta or DGO in between.

Command chief will have some sort of star replacing DGO. CMSSF central design will probbaly mirror other services.
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Re: Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Chairman of the Joint Chi

Unread postby trbaldwin » Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:18 pm

Any mock-ups / proposed of what the insignia for a USN / USCG member may look like
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Re: Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Chairman of the Joint Chi

Unread postby dcfowler » Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:13 am

This mockup is on Wikimedia, which is probably a reasonably good guess:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... C_Idea.png

They likely won't order up an official design until a Fleet MCPO is actually appointed.

As far as the Coast Guard is concerned, my guess is that until the commandant is made a full voting member of the JCS, then a Coastie will never be in the mix for SEAC.
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Re: Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Chairman of the Joint Chi

Unread postby Medic_in_Uniform » Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:13 am

trbaldwin wrote:Good to be back on the board after so long

I hope of the USSF is to fill the rank they doNT just use the USAF but mod remove the star from the lower chevrons and replace with the delta there which is what they should have done for the CMSSF insignia

Anyone know if former USMC SEAC - SgtMaj
Bryan B. Battaglia maybe promoted on retrospect?



Slightly off-topic for SEAC insignia but interesting nonetheless...

The insignia for USSF SEA (subsequently re-titled CMSSF), which was based on the existing USAF CMSgt insignia, was only ever intended to be a temporary insignia, pending the development of branch-specific insignia (and uniforms) for USSF.

As dcfowler says, the new insignia for all enlisted grades in the USSF are due to be revealed some time in the relatively near future -- although this could still be a few months rather than a few weeks away.


Based on the initial survey of USSF service members, the options presented were mostly not particularly well received. Using an amended version of existing USAF insignia was particularly unpopular. The best received option in the survey was based on a hexagon background (following the symbology of the hexagon for the USSF as the "sixth" service, as used on the CMSSF positional flag).

Chevrons were down-pointing with a 60-degree angle (to follow the shape of the hexagon), with elements of the Delta/Globe/Orbit symbol at the centre and then "orbital" arcs above for SNCOs.

The version of this concept presented in the survey was, however, substantially changed from the original proposal and lost much of the clarity for distinguishing the three tiers of enlisted grades: Specialists, NCOs and Senior NCOs.

The designer of this concept (a USSF service member) then garnered further feedback and re-submitted an updated version of his designs which "corrected" the flaws introduced in the changed version put out in the survey and also incorporated the additional feedback. The final version of the USSF enlisted insignia is likely to follow this concept.

As far as I know, dcfowler is correct and the updated proposal includes insignia for USSF Specialists (E-2 to E-4) that use horizontal bars rather than chevrons, in a pattern similar to the so-called "Vandenberg stripes" that were proposed for the USAF junior enlisted grades in the 1950s (but never implemented).


As an aside, it is apparently likely that the USSF rank structure will not include Command CMSgt (the branch is very small and this role would be somewhat superfluous) so there is a good chance there won't be any insignia for this.

Hope that helps!


I would agree that the Wikipedia mock-up for a USN SEAC looks like a fair bet. The central emblem for the SEAC, with the US DoD eagle and four stars, looks pretty fixed now, so I would guess that's where they will go. I would agree that it probably won't be officially established until such time as a USN SEAC is appointed.

Apparently it's on the cards for the Commandant of the USCG to get a full seat at the table with JCS but I still think it's unlikely that we'll see a Coastie SEAC. Similarly, I'm also sure it's very unlikely that we'll see a USSF guardian SEAC any time soon...!
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Re: Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Chairman of the Joint Chi

Unread postby dcfowler » Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:04 pm

As an aside, it is apparently likely that the USSF rank structure will not include Command CMSgt (the branch is very small and this role would be somewhat superfluous) so there is a good chance there won't be any insignia for this.


Actually, I discussed this with the guy who did most of the design work. A command chief insignia was submitted.

The deltas and field commands would each need one.
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Re: Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Chairman of the Joint Chi

Unread postby Medic_in_Uniform » Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:02 pm

Yes, absolutely: designs were submitted for CMSSF and CmdCMSgt as well as all the other enlisted ranks (it had already been decided that they would not be implementing First Sergeants for USSF so no designs were developed for those).

I hear you regarding the likelihood of such roles for the Field Commands and maybe the Deltas too but, subsequently, it would seem that they have decided not to implement the CmdCMSgt rank for USSF so it now appears likely that the only insignia beyond the standard ranks will be CMSSF.

The design is there if they change their minds…!
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