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Turtledove's Southern Victory series

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Turtledove's Southern Victory series

Unread postby marcpasquin » Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:26 pm

while reading the books, I took some notes about any mention made about uniforms. Unfortunatly, I lost a few pages and only have what I had transcribed for a few of them.

Based on what I have, I made the following page:

http://insignias.wikia.com/wiki/Souther ... ook_Series)

if anyone feels like correcting or adding to it, feel free to do so.
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Re: Turtledove's Southern Victory series

Unread postby SFMRAS » Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:29 am

marcpasquin wrote:while reading the books, I took some notes about any mention made about uniforms. Unfortunatly, I lost a few pages and only have what I had transcribed for a few of them.

Based on what I have, I made the following page:

http://insignias.wikia.com/wiki/Souther ... ook_Series)

if anyone feels like correcting or adding to it, feel free to do so.

Two slight errors I found. Under the CSA covers, you've listed the artillery twice. The second time I think you meant cavalry. Second, you spelled felDgrau felgrau.
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Re: Turtledove's Southern Victory series

Unread postby marcpasquin » Wed Aug 17, 2016 2:49 am

SFMRAS wrote:Two slight errors I found. Under the CSA covers, you've listed the artillery twice. The second time I think you meant cavalry. Second, you spelled felDgrau felgrau.


thanks. good catch.
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Re: Turtledove's Southern Victory series

Unread postby SFMRAS » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:03 pm

marcpasquin wrote:
SFMRAS wrote:Two slight errors I found. Under the CSA covers, you've listed the artillery twice. The second time I think you meant cavalry. Second, you spelled felDgrau felgrau.


thanks. good catch.

You're welcome. Wish I could help more, but I've never read the books. And my list of books to read is long enough as it is!
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Re: Turtledove's Southern Victory series

Unread postby jrichardn2 » Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:23 pm

Two things that are not very important:
- the first version of the maple-leaf roundel was introduced just after WWII, by 1947 at least (http://www.canmilair.com/schemes.htm; http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/ ... nd-Up.aspx)
- I'm not sure if custodian helmets (worn by Canadian police until just after WWII) were pith or cork; sources are inconsistent - so "custodian" probably better - tho' if Turtledove calls'em pith, who are we to disagree?

I haven't read Turtledove's books, so any criticism has to be muted, but I've found one of the key aspects of this timeline - that the U.K. would ally itself with C.S.A. - unlikely. British public opinion was so anti-slavery that it not only abolished slavery in the Empire, it interdicted the Atlantic trade with the West Africa Squadron - itself a remote cause of the later Civil War. Tho' Britain's textile magnates wanted cotton they were also themselves fairly liberal in our terms; during the OTL Civil War Britain could at best be described as torn; certainly not pro-CSA. But, as I say, I haven't read the books, so perhaps Turtledove squares this circle.
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Re: Turtledove's Southern Victory series

Unread postby marcpasquin » Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:03 pm

jrichardn2 wrote:Two things that are not very important:
- the first version of the maple-leaf roundel was introduced just after WWII, by 1947 at least (http://www.canmilair.com/schemes.htm; http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/ ... nd-Up.aspx)
- I'm not sure if custodian helmets (worn by Canadian police until just after WWII) were pith or cork; sources are inconsistent - so "custodian" probably better - tho' if Turtledove calls'em pith, who are we to disagree?

I haven't read Turtledove's books, so any criticism has to be muted, but I've found one of the key aspects of this timeline - that the U.K. would ally itself with C.S.A. - unlikely. British public opinion was so anti-slavery that it not only abolished slavery in the Empire, it interdicted the Atlantic trade with the West Africa Squadron - itself a remote cause of the later Civil War. Tho' Britain's textile magnates wanted cotton they were also themselves fairly liberal in our terms; during the OTL Civil War Britain could at best be described as torn; certainly not pro-CSA. But, as I say, I haven't read the books, so perhaps Turtledove squares this circle.


From what I remember, its not really explored and it appears to be something along the line of "sticking it to the yanks". Turtledove is not exactly renown for hard alt-history.
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