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Fisherman's Reserve

Unread postby Robb Mavins » Thu Sep 25, 2003 3:51 am

In Canada on both Coast's we had a relatively odd group called the "Fisherman's Reserve". It was a component of the active RCN reserve in WW II and had the most odd ranks including “ Coxswain – Skipper” (officer ranking roughly with a Sub Lieutenant) .

Probably modeled on a similar British Unit but have not been able to find it.

Any information is appreciated, I will post the 3 ranks I have confirmed but curious, as to more .

There were many more “odd services in the Commonwealth both in WWI & II” and would appreciate any assistance.
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Unread postby Luke » Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:15 pm

Royal Naval Reserve --- in search of the origins of the Fisherman's Reserve
The origin of, or at least the inspiration for, the Canadian Fishermen’s Reserve seems to be the British Trawler Reserve of WWI – officially the Royal Naval Reserve Trawler Section - RNR(T).

The RNR was generally confined to officers and men of deep sea merchantmen but in 1911 it was felt that there was a need to employ trawlers in war-time as minesweepers and patrol vessels. The Royal Naval Reserve Trawler Section - RNR(T) was set up to enrol the necessary personnel.
See: http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.g ... afletID=47

In 1911 the Trawler Reserve was instituted with approval for 100 trawlers to be mobilised during any period of strained relations and for the immediate enrolment of 1,000 officers and ratings to man these vessels. This brought a new rank, that of 'Skipper' RNR, into the Navy List.¨ When the Armistice was signed at the end of WW I, the Trawler Reserve consisted of 39,000 officers and men of whom 10,000 were employed in minesweepers and the rest in the auxiliary patrol.
See: http://www.mcdoa.org.uk/RN_Minewarfare_Branch.htm

Although abolished as a separate section of the RNR in 1921, the RNR(T) always remained quite distinct from the RNR proper, and employed fishermen.
See: http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.g ... afletID=47

During WWII the Trawler reserve was reconstructed as the Royal Naval Patrol Service. The crews would be ex-fishermen who were RNR ratings, interspaced with specialists such as Wireless Operators, Signalmen, Wiremen or Electricians, stewards and cooks with a few Hostilities Only Ratings, to make up the numbers.
See: http://www.harry-tates.org.uk/
http://www.rna-carmarthen.org.uk/ww2_minesweeping.htm

The ranks of the Patrol Service differed [at least unofficially] from those of the General Service. The lower ranks were Ordinary Seaman and Seaman, not Able Seaman. The Chief Petty Officer in charge of the conduct of the crew was not known as the ‘Buffer’ but as he had usually been a certificated Mate in the Fishing Service, he kept his title of ‘Third Hand’ and was always known as the Third. The Engine Room staff were Enginemen, not Engineers, and the ‘No 1’ or deputy to the Captain was a Skipper R.N.R. generally known as the Second Hand, or Second, and the Skipper would be a Skipper Lieutenant RNR, always known as Skipper, and not Sir.
See: http://www.rna-carmarthen.org.uk/ww2_minesweeping.htm

The special rank titles of commissioned officers were:

Skipper RNR
Chief Skipper RNR
Skipper Lieutenant RNR
Skipper Lieutenant-Commander RNR


Nice rank chart and other information:
http://www.royal-naval-reserve.co.uk/service.htm

See also:
http://www.harry-tates.org.uk/historyframe.htm


A search of miscellaneous abstruse sources reveals the following ranks for the RNR (T)

RNR (T) RANKS GREAT WAR

Skipper
Second Hand
Mate
Leading Deckhand
Deckhand

Ch. Eng.
1st. Engineman
Engineman
Second engineman

Stoker
Signaller
Signal Boy
Gunner

Trimmer & Mate
Leading trimmer
Trimmer
Fireman
Cook

http://www.poulton.info/familyhistory/NamesK.htm
http://www.poulton.info/familyhistory/NamesH.htm
http://www.suffolkcc.gov.uk/cgi-bin/hon ... =advanced1

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