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Mongolian insignia 1936-41?

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Mongolian insignia 1936-41?

Unread postby aardvark » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:33 am

Does anyone know what rank insignia was worn? Did junior officers have gold, silver/white or blue insignia on their red cuff patches? Ranjit.
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Unread postby lordziba » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:00 pm

Have no clue about cuff ranks (and yes I have photo or so), the collar ones were almost the same to the Soviet. However, instead of solid bricks, squares, and triangles, they had sort of like ornamental style ( just like this till 1992 shoulder boards, the shapes the earlier collar samples (just 3) in a book were sort of the same style as those "stars:" http://www.uniforminsignia.net/_m/mongo ... 992_12.gif ). I hope this helps, maybe a little!

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Unread postby aardvark » Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:18 am

Thanks for replying Zibster,its a start. Ranjit.
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Re: Mongolian insignia 1936-41?

Unread postby Nati » Fri Dec 27, 2013 9:02 pm

The Mongolian People Army 1920s-1940s
http://vedsimvol.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=7312
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Re: Mongolian insignia 1936-41?

Unread postby iffig » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:32 pm

Great info, Nati.
Thanks for sharing !
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Re: Mongolian insignia 1936-41?

Unread postby Dorward_Bis » Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:38 pm

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Re: Mongolian insignia 1936-41?

Unread postby Nati » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:00 pm

General officers' epaulets
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Generals
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Source: http://vedsimvol.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=7377
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Re: Mongolian insignia 1936-41?

Unread postby aardvark » Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:52 am

Thanks for posting those Mongolian insignia Dorward,

great illustrations, especially the cuff insignia, i just could not identify them when they appeared on Flickr.

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Re: Mongolian insignia 1936-41?

Unread postby aardvark » Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:59 am

Hello,

would the captain-colonel 1936-40 cuff insignia be of siver or white metal briad/piping ? or white ?

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Re: Mongolian insignia 1936-41?

Unread postby Dorward_Bis » Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:42 pm

aardvark wrote:Hello,

would the captain-colonel 1936-40 cuff insignia be of siver or white metal briad/piping ? or white ?

Ran.


Well, basically all "white" meant "silver" and all "yellow" meant "gold" (at least, for officers).

So, their rank insignia can be accepted as silver smilies-25
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Re: Mongolian insignia 1936-41?

Unread postby aardvark » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:41 am

Thanks for the extra information, i only ask as i found this link-

http://www.flickr.com/photos/oirats/433 ... hotostream

or put - Rangabzeichen 1930-1945 (museum) in the search box.

wasn't too sure if the braid was white or silver.

Any idea of what the 3rd row rectangle and bottom right "diamonds" are ? Perhaps branch insignia for signals/radios or engineers .

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Re: Mongolian insignia 1936-41?

Unread postby Dorward_Bis » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:48 am

aardvark wrote: Any idea of what the 3rd row rectangle and bottom right "diamonds" are ? Perhaps branch insignia for signals/radios or engineers .

Ran.


Sure.

The inscription under the RECTANGULAR patch is "Цэрэгийн (by the way, there is a misprint in this word on the picture) Еренхий Комиссарын Ханцуйн Тэмдэг" which means "The Sleeve Patch (Sign) of Chief Military Commissariat" (ханцуйн тэмдэг - sounds as "khantsuin tamdag" means the "sleeve patch" or "sleeve sign").

The inscription under DIAMONDS is "Шуух ба прокурорын ханцуйн тэмдэг" - means "Sleeve Patch (Sign)of Justice and Prosecutor's Office".

Depending on officer's rank, both signs (patches) can be embroidered with blue (for all senior NCOs and Lieutenants), silver (for Captains - Colonels) or gold (for Generals).

So, no signals or engineers))
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Re: Mongolian insignia 1936-41?

Unread postby Sitmar-orke » Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:49 am

Well, basically all "white" meant "silver" and all "yellow" meant "gold" (at least, for officers).
So, their rank insignia can be accepted as silver


For the sleeve badges:
The colors are blue, white or yellow.As the material shiny wool or silk yarn was used.

It's not all gold that glitters smilies-29


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Re: Mongolian insignia 1936-41?

Unread postby Dorward_Bis » Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:41 am

Sitmar-orke wrote:
Well, basically all "white" meant "silver" and all "yellow" meant "gold" (at least, for officers).
So, their rank insignia can be accepted as silver


For the sleeve badges:
The colors are blue, white or yellow.As the material shiny wool or silk yarn was used.

It's not all gold that glitters smilies-29


Mario


Lol, Mario - you are right))

But we both know that, concerning rank insignia, basically since ancient times silver and gold were among main materials which these insignia were made of. But of course, later it was unpractical to use silver and gold in some cases when they could be replaced with just yellow and white materials. So, there is no any contradiction in what I've said about Mongolian rank insignia:))
And one more idea that could confirm all mentioned above: in most armies "yellow" predominates over "white" mostly (except USA and some other exceptions which as we know just confirm this rule). I suppose this is due to the usual predomination of the gold over the silver. Maybe just a hypothesis, but as one of my friends says any hypothesis is allowed to exist until the opposite is not proved.
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Re: Mongolian insignia 1936-41?

Unread postby Sitmar-orke » Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:34 am

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Dmitry, your argument is correct.Gold and silver threads were too expensive.Especially in "bad" times they looked for alternatives.The army in Germany, for example, replaced by silver gray yarn.

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Re: Mongolian insignia 1936-41?

Unread postby aardvark » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:21 am

Thankyou for the extra information gentlemen, much appreciated.
Good to know that people have answers to quite obscure subjects and queries.

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