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New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Nati » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:59 pm

Since February 22, 2013 Russian 4 star generals/admirals have a new shoulder insignia - a large marshal's style star instead of 4 stars (marshal has a large star + Russian national coat of arms)
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Dorward » Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:42 pm

Yes, and one of first owners of these ranks insignia is Army General Shoygu - a well-known Russian official and politician)
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Nati » Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:47 pm

Dorward wrote:Yes, and one of first owners of these ranks insignia is Army General Shoygu - a well-known Russian official and politician)

Precisely. And I believe that this is just a matter of time till he will get a marshal's rank.
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby sketor7558 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:20 pm

they are slowly becoming the Soviet army again.
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby JMRamos » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:49 am

Unlike the late Soviet rank insignia the new ones for the Army and Air Force bear no small star and wreath, like the Fleet Admirals in the same period.
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby combain » Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:58 pm

I would like to make a little correction.
I've just noticed, that photo of comrade Shoygu from the site of Russian Ministry of Defence was changed.
Here it is.
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So...Here is the Soviet Army again.
P.S. Today they said, that it would be good to return praporshiks in the Russian Army. It's totally the new Soviet era. smilies-16
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Dorward » Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:11 pm

Well, the Soviet Army was not the worst army, and if Russians will be able to restore at least up to 50% of the Soviet military traditions, they will get much more advantages. Anyway, I always remember my service in the Soviet Army with some nostalgia)
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby JMRamos » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:33 am

combain wrote:I would like to make a little correction.
I've just noticed, that photo of comrade Shoygu from the site of Russian Ministry of Defence was changed.
Here it is.
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So...Here is the Soviet Army again.
P.S. Today they said, that it would be good to return praporshiks in the Russian Army. It's totally the new Soviet era. smilies-16


CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!! Back to the old system for Generals of the Army and Fleet Admirals... but no more Branch Marshals and Branch Chief Marshals...
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Nati » Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:00 am

Soygu's picture looks to me like it's photoshopped.
Besides, the president's directive doesn't mention any emblem. Just a marshal style star.
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby JMRamos » Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:03 am

Sorry for the earlier post. My mistake.
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby combain » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:58 pm

JMRamos, there is nothing to be sorry for. smilies-05
Noone knew anything about that additional emblem on the top of the shoulder board.
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Dorward » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:30 pm

Yes, there is no any trace about any coat of arms on the Army General's shoulder straps in this Order, but imho it would be logically to have anything like the Russian National Emblem or at least the Russian Armed Forces Emblem. There is some "emptiness" in this new shoulder strap with a lonely star... smilies-23
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Nati » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:31 pm

As I thought, this was a kind of photoshop work
This is a previous photo from the Russian MOD site
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby combain » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:26 pm

So, gentlemen, there are some new proofs with new shoulder insignia.
Pictures were taken in 27th of February, 2013 in Kremlin.
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Speaking about russian Fleet Admiral' insignia. Russian fleet don't have any active FA today and i think, if any of those will appear, he is going to have such shoulder board.
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Nati » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:35 pm

It would be interesting to see whether the branch GOAs (aviation, artillery etc) insignia will be similar to this pattern since the red star and the wreath aren't the ground forces emblem any more.

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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Nati » Thu May 09, 2013 2:33 pm

I'm not sure, but as I've managed to see during today's Victory parade at the Red Square, a retired flee admiral wore one large star on his shoulders, and army generals of the Air Force had an AF emblem above the large star.
So, we actualy have a complete "regression" to the old good soviet insignia of ranks.

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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby DarthGaddafi » Fri May 10, 2013 2:03 pm

Been out for awhile with school work, but the semester is over.

I wonder the actual motivation for these changes at the very top of the Russian Armed Forces? Why move from 4-stars?

Seems silly militarily, but good for us rank insignia watchers.
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Dorward » Fri May 10, 2013 2:40 pm

Well, as the Russian poet Feodor Tyutchev wrote, "умом Россию не понять, аршином обшим не измерить" ("you can't comprehend Russia with your wit and cannot measure with a ruler it" - a free interpretation))). I'm sure not many Russian military men could answer the question why 4 stars were replaced with 1 bigger star.
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby combain » Sun May 12, 2013 2:13 pm

I think, there is an explanation.
Shoygu wanted to become Marshal of Russian Federation, but he never was "in action" - i mean, that he has rank of GoA (4 stars), but he got it, when he was ruling Russian Emercom a.k.a MChS.
And he never was in the Army. He had a rank of leutenant before, but that is nothing, of course.
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Erskine Calderon » Mon May 13, 2013 8:38 pm

combain wrote:I think, there is an explanation.
Shoygu wanted to become Marshal of Russian Federation, but he never was "in action" - i mean, that he has rank of GoA (4 stars), but he got it, when he was ruling Russian Emercom a.k.a MChS.
And he never was in the Army. He had a rank of leutenant before, but that is nothing, of course.


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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Snake » Thu May 16, 2013 5:02 pm

Nati wrote:Since February 22, 2013 Russian 4 star generals/admirals have a new shoulder insignia - a large marshal's style star instead of 4 stars (marshal has a large star + Russian national coat of arms)
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Yes but its determined that this insignia wasn't official according by the Presidential Decree.

By the way that's my design form Wikipedia smilies-05
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby combain » Tue May 21, 2013 7:40 pm

I think, that it is time for some changes in this section.
http://www.uniforminsignia.org/?option=com_insigniasearch&Itemid=53&result=2920
Instead of 4-star GoA insignia we should add something like this.
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Snake » Tue May 21, 2013 10:46 pm

combain wrote:I think, that it is time for some changes in this section.
http://www.uniforminsignia.org/?option=com_insigniasearch&Itemid=53&result=2920
Instead of 4-star GoA insignia we should add something like this.
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Nicely done but for now they aren't any changes to General of Air Force of Russian Federation insignia.

Source: http://pravo.gov.ru:8080/page.aspx?35976
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Nati » Wed May 22, 2013 12:04 pm

Snake wrote:
combain wrote:I think, that it is time for some changes in this section.
http://www.uniforminsignia.org/?option=com_insigniasearch&Itemid=53&result=2920
Instead of 4-star GoA insignia we should add something like this.
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Nicely done but for now they aren't any changes to General of Air Force of Russian Federation insignia.

Source: http://pravo.gov.ru:8080/page.aspx?35976


Well, according to this document AGs have to wear one large star solely. No mention of an emblem (of ant kind).

BTW a new photo of FA Vladimir Masorin taken on May 9 during the military parade at Astrakhan:
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Snake » Wed May 22, 2013 12:28 pm

Nati wrote:
Snake wrote:
combain wrote:I think, that it is time for some changes in this section.
http://www.uniforminsignia.org/?option=com_insigniasearch&Itemid=53&result=2920
Instead of 4-star GoA insignia we should add something like this.
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Nicely done but for now they aren't any changes to General of Air Force of Russian Federation insignia.

Source: http://pravo.gov.ru:8080/page.aspx?35976


Well, according to this document AGs have to wear one large star solely. No mention of an emblem (of ant kind).

BTW a new photo of FA Vladimir Masorin taken on May 9 during the military parade at Astrakhan:
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Yes he is retired Fleet Admiral and that's new insignia.
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby combain » Sat May 25, 2013 4:50 am

By the way, it's illegal in Russia for retired military officers and soldiers to use a new uniform and rank insignia.
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Nati » Sat May 25, 2013 10:44 am

combain wrote:By the way, it's illegal in Russia for retired military officers and soldiers to use a new uniform and rank insignia.

The definition of legal / illegal - is very flexible in Russia, you know :)
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby combain » Sat May 25, 2013 2:03 pm

Nati wrote:
combain wrote:By the way, it's illegal in Russia for retired military officers and soldiers to use a new uniform and rank insignia.

The definition of legal / illegal - is very flexible in Russia, you know :)


Of course, comrade! smilies-24
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Martin Mennega » Sun May 26, 2013 11:03 pm

What service is the uniform from worn by the person in the top left corner of the image of the retired admiral?
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby 03159 » Mon May 27, 2013 3:54 am

Nati wrote:I'm not sure, but as I've managed to see during today's Victory parade at the Red Square, a retired flee admiral wore one large star on his shoulders, and army generals of the Air Force had an AF emblem above the large star.
So, we actualy have a complete "regression" to the old good soviet insignia of ranks.

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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Nati » Mon May 27, 2013 11:34 am

Martin Mennega wrote:What service is the uniform from worn by the person in the top left corner of the image of the retired admiral?


A kind of cossack general, I assume.
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby ijnfleetadmiral » Thu May 30, 2013 4:17 am

Well, a five-star officer in the U.S. Armed Forces can never "officially" retire, so apparently that's also true for Russian officers of the same grade.

Hey, the explanation does fit...:)
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Nati » Fri May 30, 2014 2:31 pm

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Former Russian Air Force commander Piotr Deinekin wearing old style uniform with new General of Army insignia of ranks
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Nati » Sat May 31, 2014 1:54 pm

Two patterns of GOA insignia at the same event:

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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Nati » Sun Jun 01, 2014 6:42 pm

Well, as I have managed to understand, Deinakin wears his pre-1997 shoulder boards, which were specially designed for him.
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Mikhailov, instead, uses 2013 pattern shoulder boards.
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Nati » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:54 pm

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Former Russian Navy commander Fleet Admiral Vladimir Masorin.
Pay attention to the star - it is placed at the middle of the shoulder board.
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Nati » Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:13 pm

Though Masorin wears a new (2013) shoulder insignia of Fleet Admiral, he continues wearing pre 2011 sleeve insignia (FA had an anchor within the star like other admirals). Since 2011, FA's sleeve star is solid (fully covered).

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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Nati » Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:24 pm

Ex-Director of the FSB (Federal security service) Nokolai Kovalev:
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Current FSB director Alexander Bortnikov:
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Nati » Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:31 pm

Well, as usual, in the Russian Army the regulations never fit the reality (or, actually, the reality never fits the regulations). Here you can see the army general Piotr Deinekin, ex-commander of the Russian Air Force wearing the 2013 pattern Ground Forces shoulder boards. Not the Air Force ones.
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Nati » Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:41 pm

Current FSB director Alexander Bortnikov
The star is not red, but gold and the piping is cornflower blue.
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Re: New Russian 4 star generals/admirals insignia of ranks

Unread postby Nati » Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:46 pm

The general of Justice, the head of the Investigative Committee (SK) Alexander Bastrykin
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