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Russian Ministry of Defence civilian workers insignia

Unread postby Nati » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:56 pm

Since the defence minister Shoigu introduced the new "office uniform" in the late Summer of 2013, the civilian workers of the Russian Ministry of Defence have been obligated to wear such a uniform as well. Their civil category (grade) is reproduced on the shoulder boards just like the military ranks are.

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Re: Russian Ministry of Defence civilian workers insignia

Unread postby marcpasquin » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:00 pm

do every single non-military employee of the ministry (such as for example cleaners) fall in this category or is it only certain type (like upper echelon office worker) ? the reason I ask is that ranks do not seem to include NCOs.
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Re: Russian Ministry of Defence civilian workers insignia

Unread postby Luke2 » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:21 pm

According to Указ Президента РФ от 7 июня 2011 г. N 720 "О внесении изменений в некоторые акты Президента Российской Федерации":


http://r68.fssprus.ru/ukaz_prezidenta_r ... raciiquot/


15. Secretary of State Civil Service of the Russian Federation Class 3 = Corporal, Private

14. Secretary of State Civil Service of the Russian Federation Class 2 = Sergeant, Junior Sergeant

13. Secretary of State Civil Service of the Russian Federation Class 1 = Master Sergeant, Senior Sergeant

12. Referent of State Civil Service of the Russian Federation Class 3 = Ensign

11. Referent of State Civil Service of the Russian Federation Class 2 = Senior Ensign

10. Referent of State Civil Service of the Russian Federation Class 1 = Junior Lieutenant

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Re: Russian Ministry of Defence civilian workers insignia

Unread postby Nati » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:51 pm

Some more images

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Re: Russian Ministry of Defence civilian workers insignia

Unread postby Dorward_Bis » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:25 pm

Luke2 wrote:According to Указ Президента РФ от 7 июня 2011 г. N 720 "О внесении изменений в некоторые акты Президента Российской Федерации":


http://r68.fssprus.ru/ukaz_prezidenta_r ... raciiquot/


15. Secretary of State Civil Service of the Russian Federation Class 3 = Corporal, Private

14. Secretary of State Civil Service of the Russian Federation Class 2 = Sergeant, Junior Sergeant

13. Secretary of State Civil Service of the Russian Federation Class 1 = Master Sergeant, Senior Sergeant

12. Referent of State Civil Service of the Russian Federation Class 3 = Ensign

11. Referent of State Civil Service of the Russian Federation Class 2 = Senior Ensign

10. Referent of State Civil Service of the Russian Federation Class 1 = Junior Lieutenant

etcetera


12 and 13 are equivalents not to Ensign (since Ensign is a Commissioned Officer's rank) but to Warrant and Chief Warrant Officers, which equal to Russian Praporschik (прапорщик) and Senior Praporschik (старший прапорщик).
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Re: Russian Ministry of Defence civilian workers insignia

Unread postby Luke2 » Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:47 pm

прапорщик means ensign doesn't it? Although I suppose the normal translation into Englis is warrant officer.
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Re: Russian Ministry of Defence civilian workers insignia

Unread postby Dorward_Bis » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:52 am

Luke2 wrote:прапорщик means ensign doesn't it? Although I suppose the normal translation into Englis is warrant officer.

For the Russian Imperial Army yes - прапорщик was the first CO rank and could be translated as Ensign or Third Lt. But when it was implemented into the Soviet Army in 1971 functionally it was equivalent to the Warrant officer not to the CO.
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Re: Russian Ministry of Defence civilian workers insignia

Unread postby Nati » Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:32 pm

Some more illustrations:

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and "polo t-shirt style uniform"
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Re: Russian Ministry of Defence civilian workers insignia

Unread postby Nati » Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:49 pm

On January 29, the Presidential Heraldic council has approved the Ministry of Defense civilian workers insignia:

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Source: http://function.mil.ru/news_page/countr ... 474@egNews
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Re: Russian Ministry of Defence civilian workers insignia

Unread postby Dorward_Bis » Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:09 pm

Well, the pure heritage of the Russian Imperial Ranking of Civil Officials. Such ranking system concerns not the Ministry of Defence only but most of other - civilian - governmental institutions.
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Re: Russian Ministry of Defence civilian workers insignia

Unread postby Luke2 » Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:34 pm

The rank insignias seem a litte inflated. State councillor first class (equivalent of colonel) wears one big star like a major-generl. There are other examples, too.
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Re: Russian Ministry of Defence civilian workers insignia

Unread postby Nati » Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:06 pm

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Tatiana Shevtsova, the deputy minister of defense wearing the shoulder insignia of the Actual State Councillor of Russian Federation, 1st class (holding the position of the Army General).
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Re: Russian Ministry of Defence civilian workers insignia

Unread postby marcpasquin » Sat Apr 23, 2016 6:07 pm

Nati wrote:Image
Tatiana Shevtsova, the deputy minister of defense wearing the shoulder insignia of the Actual State Councillor of Russian Federation, 1st class (holding the position of the Army General).


what does "actual" means in this context ?
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Re: Russian Ministry of Defence civilian workers insignia

Unread postby Miklós Lovász » Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:58 pm

marcpasquin wrote:
Nati wrote:Image
Tatiana Shevtsova, the deputy minister of defense wearing the shoulder insignia of the Actual State Councillor of Russian Federation, 1st class (holding the position of the Army General).


what does "actual" means in this context ?


Back when (XVIII-XIX c.) there were the "actual" counselors, secretaries, etc. and the "titular" ones, i.e. those weren't actually working as such, only got the title of the job ... e.g. you had an "actual privy counselor", who advised the monarch whenever required and some high-ranking civil servant who was a privy counsellor only in title, not in actuality. This was mostly the German, Austrian, etc system, introduced by Peter I. when he reformed the Russian State.

As an aside, even today in many countries there are judges sitting on low-level courts who hold a higher title (like titular judge of appeals, actual first-instance judge).
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Re: Russian Ministry of Defence civilian workers insignia

Unread postby Nati » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:19 pm

Very interesting material about the proposal of uniform and insignia regulations for the civil workers of the MOD. It's not approved yet.

http://twower.livejournal.com/1992603.html

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