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Czaristic Russia - General Lieutenant?

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Czaristic Russia - General Lieutenant?

Unread postby vinyl79 » Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:38 pm

hello, could you help me identifying this shoulder piece?
it measures 140 x 70 mm and bears the eagle of czaristic russia.
the button is labelled "Слава 1 Сорть". Was this maybe the commander of the eleventh army?
the red fixing ribbon on the back side is torn as if the bagde had been torn off the uniform.
found this piece on a flea market in austria and bought it for € 3.-

any help would be great.
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Re: Czaristic Russia - General Lieutenant?

Unread postby Dorward_Bis » Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:55 pm

The Lieutenant General of the General Staff (Генштаба, because of the black lace between the strap and the red piping) appointed to the 11th Division.
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Re: Czaristic Russia - General Lieutenant?

Unread postby vinyl79 » Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:26 pm

Dorward_Bis wrote:The Lieutenant General of the General Staff (Генштаба, because of the black lace between the strap and the red piping) appointed to the 11th Division.


thank you very much, дуже тобі дякую . can you estimate the age?
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Re: Czaristic Russia - General Lieutenant?

Unread postby Dorward_Bis » Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:06 pm

Between 1907 and the WWI (including).
The button on this shoulder strap was produced by the Moscow factory "Slava" ("Слава", means Glory in Russian), which started its activity at the beginning of XX century.
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Re: Czaristic Russia - General Lieutenant?

Unread postby vinyl79 » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:31 am

Dorward_Bis wrote:Between 1907 and the WWI (including).
The button on this shoulder strap was produced by the Moscow factory "Slava" ("Слава", means Glory in Russian), which started its activity at the beginning of XX century.

thank you for sharing this special knowledge.
all the best from Vienna!
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Re: Czaristic Russia - General Lieutenant?

Unread postby Artilleryman » Tue Jan 19, 2016 12:39 pm

In fact everything presented above was right - 1. The shoulder strap represents Lieutenant General of General Staff (Генерального штаба генерал лейтенант) 2. Arabic 11 figures mean 11 infantry division (in this case). But so high rank does not mean just simple attachment to the division. Most probably this shoulder strap belonged to the 11 infantry division commander Ivan Ivanovich Fedotov (20.2.1855 - ?), who was commander of the 11 infantry division from 2.07.1910 till 3.04.1915. Being commander of the division he was still assigned to General Staff service.

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http://regiment.ru/bio/F/13.htm
http://regiment.ru/upr/B/2/pd/11.htm
http://1914ww.ru/biograf/bio_f/fedotov_ii.php
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Re: Czaristic Russia - General Lieutenant?

Unread postby Dorward_Bis » Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:48 pm

Artilleryman, thanks a lot for such a valuable refinement)
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