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World government ranks and insignia

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World government ranks and insignia

Unread postby Lord Cybran » Sun Oct 02, 2016 3:56 am

Hello,

Long time ago, I, as Cyberwarrior (I've lost access to that account) created a topic here where I asked what would ranks and insignia for the armed forces in a world government would look like. Apparently, the topic was deleted, as I linked images from imageshack.us in a way which no longer works. smilies-14

I made some sketches and our own Medic_in_Uniform came up with some awesome versions of those insignia, which I thought it was a good idea to make available at this forum again.

Army (green), Air Force (Air Force blue), Navy (Navy blue) and Space Fleet (gray):

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Medical Service:

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Naval Marines:

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Space Marines:

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Uniforms (for the five services):

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Uniforms (for Naval Marines):

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Uniforms (for Space Marines):

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Re: World government ranks and insignia

Unread postby Medic_in_Uniform » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:56 am

Wow...! Hey, I remember those -- Flashback!! smilies-15

I'm sure that thread is still kicking around her somewhere...
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Re: World government ranks and insignia

Unread postby Lord Cybran » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:35 pm

When I first created the original thread, someone (I don't remember who) said that Senior Enlisted Advisors (SEAs) were a very US thing, so I dropped those positions from my original chart. But it looks like, since then, an increasing number of forces worldwide have imported the idea from them (on Wikipedia alone, I already found 7 countries other than the US which have those positions: Australia, Canada, Denmark, New Zealand, Singapore, South Africa and United Kingdom), so I decided to recreate the positions for WG armed forces.

The insignia for SEAs consists on the same as E-7, with the UN emblem above it. Like today's armed forces, there will be one SEA per force.

I made a separate chart for SEAs so that the chart provided by Medic would not grow too much in size.
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Re: World government ranks and insignia

Unread postby Medic_in_Uniform » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:03 am

Seems fair enough to me! smilies-15




It was quite a few years ago but, if I remember correctly, the concept was that as this was effectively starting from scratch, the patterns of the uniforms wold be based on the same generic design but with differing base colours for each service and rank markings could be standardised for instant recognition across all the branches of the services.

You know, if I was to take another pass at those now, I'm sure I'd do something slightly different -- although it would definitely be one of those things where I'm not sure exactly *what* it would be, and it would evolve as I started drawing and working it out as I went along...!
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Re: World government ranks and insignia

Unread postby marcpasquin » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:07 am

The insignias look good but to me the system looks visually and its application too much like some sort of US-canadian joint organisation.

A world system to me would be one that is modular as it would originally have had to allow for national armed forces with various number of ranks not only overall but at each level.

The system then would concentrate on division based on function and then subdivided, so that you could have, strictly for the sake of example:

Enlisted: soldier with no or limited command power
junior sub-officer: soldier with command power over small units or assistant to higher officer
Senior sub-officer: administrative sub-officer to larger units
technical officer: specialised officer without command power outside its speciality.
cadet officer: command officer in formation
junior officer: direct command of fixed units
senior officer: in command of fixed units via delegated power to junior officers
Higher officer: in command of modular units

so originally personnel would have been given a rank equivalent to 1-5 scale (or more) so that every ranks would have been represented and as a further development, some ranks would have ceased to exist over time due to attrition.

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Re: World government ranks and insignia

Unread postby Miklós Lovász » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:41 pm

Great work, Mark!
Just one point: how d'you think the Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, etc would react to wearing a cross?
Or the Christians to wearing an inverted cross?
The four and five-dots ranks perhaps would do better with a circular or diamond-shaped arrangement... wouldn't you say?
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Re: World government ranks and insignia

Unread postby marcpasquin » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:49 am

Miklós Lovász wrote:Great work, Mark!
Just one point: how d'you think the Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, etc would react to wearing a cross?
Or the Christians to wearing an inverted cross?
The four and five-dots ranks perhaps would do better with a circular or diamond-shaped arrangement... wouldn't you say?


didn't think about that (being an atheist) but that's a fair point.

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Re: World government ranks and insignia

Unread postby Miklós Lovász » Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:31 pm

Excellent!
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Re: World government ranks and insignia

Unread postby Lord Cybran » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:17 am

Wow! Marc, you did a nice job making a new set of insignia that actually breaks tradition. This would suit a global force very well. smilies-33

Now I'm thinking about the uniforms. Which kind of uniforms would be a match for those futuristic insignia? I thought of something like these Star Trek uniforms I found on DeviantArt (link: https://jjohnson1701.deviantart.com/art ... -383721110), with insignia on the shoulder stripe. Perhaps we should use different colors, or change some details here and there (obviously, we'll have to remove the Star Trek logo smilies-05 )
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Re: World government ranks and insignia

Unread postby Lord Cybran » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:50 pm

Hello,

I picked the uniforms I posted before and repainted them to use the colors proposed by Medic at the images on the opening of the thread. I only allowed myself to do that because the uniforms drawn by JJohnson1701 are non-canonical. smilies-01
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Re: World government ranks and insignia

Unread postby Lord Cybran » Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:14 am

Hello everyone,

I've made some new insignia for the ranks at the beginning of the topic. For this, I tried to break tradition of current armed forces (for general officers, I couldn't find anything that suits them better than stars...)
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Re: World government ranks and insignia

Unread postby Lord Cybran » Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:57 pm

And these are the ranks for Marines. There are two Marine Corps in the planned world gov't: Naval Marines, which will work as "soldiers afloat" like the Marine Corps we have today, and the Space Marines, which will work the same way, but in space.
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