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dcfowler wrote:I have no love for the current Occupant, but putting that aside, will note that Russia has had a space force since 1992, and China has had a combined space/cyber force since 2016.
marcpasquin wrote:dcfowler wrote:I have no love for the current Occupant, but putting that aside, will note that Russia has had a space force since 1992, and China has had a combined space/cyber force since 2016.
So you're saying the president might be drawing inspiration from the russian on how to organise the military ? I'm sure there's nothing worrying there..... at least until they unveil the new uniforms for agents of the All-American Department of State Security.....
dcfowler wrote:marcpasquin wrote:dcfowler wrote:I have no love for the current Occupant, but putting that aside, will note that Russia has had a space force since 1992, and China has had a combined space/cyber force since 2016.
So you're saying the president might be drawing inspiration from the russian on how to organise the military ? I'm sure there's nothing worrying there..... at least until they unveil the new uniforms for agents of the All-American Department of State Security.....
Be snarky if you wish, but the land and naval environments have had their own services in most nations since the dawn on civilization. The air environment saw air forces coming into being between World Wars I and II. The space environment has been gradually maturing as a military domain since the 1950s, and can probably sustain a small service now; Plus, we now have the new cyber/electromagnetic warfare domain that is growing exponentially, and will undoubtably require a new service before too long. (Germany established one in 2015).
dcfowler wrote:Another question is what personnel in the sub-sergeant ranks will be called.
"Spaceman" seems like a non-starter.
Ideas?
Medic_in_Uniform wrote:I’m delving back into Forum history here, but how long do you think it will be before folks start finding this thread...
http://forum.uniforminsignia.org/viewtopic.php?f=125&t=5363
...and I wonder if we’ll see images “borrowed” from posts appearing on other sites?![]()
It happened a while back when the AF we’re looking a new uniforms so I can imagine that people doing Google searches will find that thread!
At a wild guess, if this happens, it sounds like they will be a pretty small service and will likely be poaching suitably qualified applicants from the junior NCO grades of the other branches for a while before they are ready to start running Space Boot Camp on their own...
dcfowler wrote:Space Corps was in the House bill from about a year ago. The compromise legislation, passed by the House last week, and the Senate this week both use the name Space Force, a new Title 10 armed service. As soon as the president-who-shall-not-be named signs it, probably this week, it will be law.
Chief of Space Operations it the title of the commander, who will dual-hat as COMSPACECOM for the first year, and then the billets will split. After one year, the CSO will become a permanent member of the JCS.
Presumably USAF-style grades will be used, at least initially, though that is not yet written in stone.
My understanding is that after signature, there will be a 90 day standup period to get a small HQ element established, which will deal with organization, uniforms, insignia, ranks, flags, etc. Guessing that formal establishment will occur around Oct 1, 2020, though the service should have lineage back to 1982, when Space Command was established, just like how the USAF, established in 1947, has lineage back to 1907.
Most of the operational units will be transferred over in late 2020/early 2021.
marcpasquin wrote:How much of the personnel being transferred *does not* come from the USAF ? It seems like if non-air force personnel only represents a small fraction of the whole, we might see "adapted air force" type insignias rather than something made from scratch. For example, medium rather than dark blue as the base colour of uniforms and NCO insignias that use the same incrementations as USAF but with straight horizontal lower bars instead of curvy ones like some experimental ones back in the 50s:
marcpasquin wrote:This article has some insignias suggestion and makes the point that the Space Force could potentially be an all-officer (warrant and commissioned) service
https://www.science20.com/hontas_farmer/space_force_a_service_of_warrior_geeks_an_opinion_on_uniforms_and_insignia_with_practical_justifications-232953
jrichardn2 wrote:So there's going to be a lot in this forum on this as 2020 advances.
My guess is that the USAF rank structure will mostly be preserved, but I could be wrong. If I'm right I'm wondering what will happen with E-1 through E-4: "airman" seems wrong, but so does "spaceman". I'm seeing members of the USSF already being referred to as "space operator", so that may be it.
dcfowler wrote:https://www.rollcall.com/news/pentagon-talk-space-force-plans-uniforms-trump
"Besides being prepared to show Trump the logo ideas, the military leaders will be ready to talk about the subject of uniforms and to describe proposed rank structures and organizational charts, according to the Pentagon official."
Medic_in_Uniform wrote: Given that this option was one of several presented for consideration, I’d be very curious to see what the alternatives were and whether there were any that were not quite so blatantly similar to the Starfleet seal.
Medic_in_Uniform wrote:Aren’t those the slightly dubious ones put out by the Trump campaign team a few months back, rather than official ones from the DoD / Dept of the Air Force...?
dcfowler wrote:Returning to the delta, I think suggests strongly that it will appear on the cap badge and other insignia.
Medic_in_Uniform wrote:OK, some very quick ideas.
First pass at enlisted grade insignia
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