italian rank insignia - Carabinieri

[rmboss]

Hi!
I just wanted to help you to increase the italian rank insignia section.
Some hints/corrections :

1. You wrote for italian republic "repubblicca italiana" but the correct translation is "repubblica italiana".
2. Carabinieri: the ranks on your pages are now obsolete because the Carabinieri became an indipendent army since 2000.
I give you the link of the webpage with the new ranks where you can copy the images
http://digilander.libero.it/ccbenemeriti/i_gradi.htm
translation:

I)Appuntati e carabinieri = corporals and privates (section)
II) Sovrintendenti = non comm. officiers (section)
III) Ispettori = inspectors (in the past they were warrant officers)
IV) Ufficiali Inferiori = Comm.officers
V) Ufficiali superiori = superior officers
VI) Ufficiali generali = generals

Translation of the ranks of every section
I)
Carabiniere = private
Appuntato = Private 1st class
Appuntato scelto = Corporal
II)
Vice brigadiere= seargent
Brigadiere = seargent major
Brigadiere Capo = command sergeant major

III)
Maresciallo = Warrant Officier 3rd class
Maresciallo Ordinario = Warr.Off. 2 class
Maresciallo Capo = Warr.off 1 class
Maresciallo aiutante sostituto ufficiale di pubblica sicurezza =
Warrant officer 1 class, sobstitute for public securiy officer

IV)
Sottotenente = Lieutenant 2 class
Tenente = Lieutenant 1st class
Capitano = captain

V)
Maggiore = Major
Tenente colonnello = Ltn. colonel
Colonnello = colonel
Colonnello comandante di corpo = colonel Commandant Army Corps

VI)
Generale di Brigata = Brigadier general
Generale di Divisione = Major General
Generale di Divisione Vice comandante = Major Gen. vice commander
Generale di Corpo d'Armata = General
Generale di Corpo d'Armata comandante generale = General - chief commander of the Carabinieri

Other corrections :
Army
Colonnello che grado superiore (Colonel Holding Temp. Brig. Gen. rank) is not correct. The correct translation is "Colonnello con grado superiore"

Aiutante (Adjutant) : the complete name of this rank is "Maresciallo maggiore aiutante (it's like a senior warrant off. 1st class)

Aiutante di Battaglia (Battle Adjutant) : the complete name of this rank is "Maresciallo maggiore aiutante di battaglia".

If you want I can also send you following ranks:
Guardia di Finanza (also obsolete in your pages)
Polizia ( present in your pages but the images are missing).
I have also the rank insignia of the main italian armies during WW II.
If you are interested in these ranks please send me an email.

Congratulations for your site, it's one of the most complete one which I could find on the internet.

Best Regards

RMB

[sketor7558]

Do you have info on the rank insignia of the Corpo di Forestale?

[rmboss]

Hello...

The rank insignia of the Corpo forestale is similar to the current ranks of the italian Carabinieri.

You can have a look at the ranks of the sicilian regions (the ranks are the same as for every italian region) :

1)
http://www.regione.sicilia.it/Agricoltu ... UARDIA.htm (private)
http://www.regione.sicilia.it/Agricoltu ... DIASC7.htm (1st class private - 7 ys service) : equivalent to corporal

http://www.regione.sicilia.it/Agricoltu ... IASC11.htm (1st class private - 11 ys service) : equiv. to corp.major

2)
http://www.regione.sicilia.it/Agricoltu ... ADIERE.htm (searg.major)

http://www.regione.sicilia.it/Agricoltu ... CIALLO.htm (warrant off. 3 class - only after 5 years service as brigadiere)

http://www.regione.sicilia.it/Agricoltu ... IALLO7.htm (warrant off. 2 class)

http://www.regione.sicilia.it/Agricoltu ... IALLO9.htm (warrant off. 1 class)

http://www.regione.sicilia.it/Agricoltu ... ALLO11.htm (chef warrant officer)



Bye RMB

[sketor7558]

Hi rmboss are the corpo forestale officer ranks the same as the carabinieri and do you have any rank insignia info on the Guardia di Finanza?

[rmboss]

Hello,
yes, the ranks of the "forestale" are the same, but of course there are not any 4 stars generals.
To be more precise, even if the rank insignia are similar to the carabinieri, the rank names are more similar to the national police, because the guardia forestale is not strictly a military corp.


The same for the finanza (here you can see the rank insignia). I looked in many web sites, and they are still not upgraded, which means that they show as highest rank the colonel rank.

http://web.tiscali.it/no-redirect-tisca ... inanza.htm

The reason is that until some years ago, these forces were not indipendent corps. That means that they were belonging to the national army and the generals were only army generals (which means army ranks and army uniforms). Now also the guardia di finanza became indipendent, so they also have 1,2 and 3 stars generals.

Bye
Rmboss

[Herrwiggly]

Hi Rmboos herrwiggly here, on the ranks of the Carrabinieri, I thought there was a new rank, I think if I remember correctly Lugotenente or some thing similar can you confirm? :D :D :D cheers

[rmboss]

Hello
luogotenente is the italian explanation for lieutnant (tenente)...but in the carabinieri there is not such a rank....We had this rank in WWII (luogotenente generale) and that rank was held by the son of the king, as royal lieutnant ... maybe you wanted to say "tenente generale" (liut. general)?

Rmboss

[rmboss]

Hello,
today I found one of the many sites containing the ranks of the carabinieri and I found the rank of "luogotenente".
More exactly it's a marshall luogotenente.
In Italy the marshall is not the highest rank as in many contries, but it's a warrant officer rank.
The luogotenente is the highest warrant officer rank and in fact a luogotenente is holding an officer function in case that no officer is present.
So let's say that it's like a warrant officer holding the "vice- lieutnant" rank when it's necessary.
Normally a warrant officer, in Italy, cannot be promoted to any officer rank (only in rare cases that can happen).

In this last case, it can happen 2 things:

1 ) a warrant officer (1st class) becomes 2th lieutnant the same day he is retiring, just to conclude the career as officer

2) (very very rare) : a warrant officer asks to continue his career as officer. In that case the rank is given in relation to the time of service.
So, the first rank of non commisioned officer will be converted to the first rank of officer and so on.
(that means that a seargent could become a 2 class lieutn, a searg.maj a 1st class lietn, a 3 class warrant off a captain...and so on until the rank of colonel).
As far as I know there a really few cases who could do something like that.


Rmboss

[Guest]

The "Luogotenente" rank in the Carabinieri is the last brilliant Idea that our Politicians found to reward long serving senior NCOs.

In the Carabinieri, once in one "class of rank" (i.e., for Marescialli, "Ruolo Ispettori") you get to the next rank every 7 years. After 21 years of Service you should have clmibed all the ladder up, serving as a "Maresciallo Aiutante", with a rank badge consisting of 3 silver "bars" with red underlay (red backing is a distinctive badge of Command position in Italian Armed Services). This worked well when there were few or not "Direct Access" Marescialli. Now that someone aged 23 or so could start his/hers career as a Maresciallo, and that could legally serve for some 30 years or more, they thought that long serving Marescialli deserved a proper rank, and they create the "Luogotenente", with a badge of rank consisting in 3 red backed silver bars and a red backed silver star.

They perform the same roles as Aiutanti, most typically, commanding a Town/City Station...

[Inspector]

Hi!

I'm an Inspector of Italian Guardia di Finanza, if you want, you can have a look on my site:

[url=http://digilander.libero.it/alby.net/]

I'm sure you can find a lot of recent rank insignia about Italian Army & Police.

Bye!

[Inspector]

Hi!

I'm an Inspector of Italian Guardia di Finanza, if you want, you can have a look on my site:

alby.net

I'm sure you can find a lot of recent rank insignia about Italian Army & Police Forces.

Bye!

[Guest]